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Practice chanters

Post by anima » Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:13 pm

Does anyone make practice chanters for the gaita?
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Re: Practice chanters

Post by LuifeSpain » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:12 pm

Old people in Galicia could learn using three different instruments:

They could use a cane or wood transversal flute, made by them or by local makers.

They could use a single reed cane chanter, made in a "domestical way" by them.

They could use a single reed bagpipe with drone (or not) and with a goat, lamb, dog or cat bag (I´m playing one of these in the photo):

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In the past, pipers were shepherds very often, so they don´t need an indoor practice instrument. They could play all time in mountains with their goats :P

Now, in the globalization world and the scottish-influence process, there are some makers that mades "Galician Practice chanters", like this:

http://es.geocities.com/zalocaride/

Push PUNTEIROS at the left, and you will see the "Galician Practice Chanter" at the end of the page.

They are expensive, and I don´t like them. I think this is not good for learn the "Galician style".

Also there are electronic options. You have the MASTER GAITA:

http://www.arrakis.es/~jpresedo/midig/mgengl.html

For the same price as a normal chanter, you can use with your computer, play in open or closed fingering in all keys without problems with neighboors.

Also there is the E-PIPE:

http://www.tununtunumba.com/viento.asp? ... ros%20midi

The main differences with the MASTER GAITA are the price (It´s expensive than the Master Gaita), the wind sensor and the possibilty of make real glissandos and vibratos.

You put the chanter in your bag and you can play with different presions, fingerings and keys,

And for Jeff... Do you know this spanish invention?

http://www.vpipes.com/

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Re: Practice chanters

Post by lucky141 » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:31 am

I bought one of these practice punteros: http://www.tununtunumba.com/viento.asp? ... o%20Sordo., the quality is'nt imho very high but is good enough to practice.

Another option could be a penny whistle, it's cheaper and funny but the fingering is not exactly the same.

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Re: Practice chanters

Post by dan chaffee » Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:45 am

LuifeSpain wrote: Now, in the globalization world and the scottish-influence process, there are some makers that mades "Galician Practice chanters", like this:

http://es.geocities.com/zalocaride/

Push PUNTEIROS at the left, and you will see the "Galician Practice Chanter" at the end of the page.

They are expensive, and I don´t like them. I think this is not good for learn the "Galician style".

http://www.vpipes.com/

Luife,
These look very similar to the practice chanter for the highland pipes.
Why don't you think they are a good way to learn the Galician style, at least
for the fingering ? The small practice chanter for highland pipes is very effective, even
though much smaller than the real thing. I guess they are all limited to one
octive, but I know of at least one maker that advertises a reeded practice punteiro
that can produce half tones.

Dan

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Re: Practice chanters

Post by LuifeSpain » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:28 am

Well, I´m agree that scottish practice is good for learn scottish bagpipes.

You need a lot of pressure for play an scottish highland set. So the practice chanter don´t show how to work with pressure, because you don´t need it. You only have to know the fingering, the ornaments and, when you play the real set, you push the bag with the maximum pressure.

In Galician Bagpipes, you can´t play with low pressure, but also you can´t play with a lot of pressure. You need to know the "TEMPERO".

Tempero is a concept wich defines the "correct pressure", not to much, not to little, Medium pressure.

You need to get a good chanter sound, a drone sound without oscilations, and you must not blow all time. The best in Galician Bagpipes is to blow little.

So a practice chanter don´t show the TEMPERO.

Also, as you know, bagpipes needs a tool for separate notes: in Galicia we call it FAKE SILENCE. You use the index or hearth finger of righ hand for separate notes.

I think in scottish bagpipes you do the same, but in Galicia, the fake silence is more "open", you hear it between notes. In scottish bagpipes it sounds cleaner.

For this reason, you can practice better in a scottish practice chanter: you do fake silences and they sounds clean. But in Galician Bagpipe Practice chanter, the fake silences sounds....very bad.

For example, you can hear the CABUERNIGA bagpipe made by David Lopez. It´s like a Galician Smallpipe with open fingering. You can hear it in CABUERNIGA tune.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... =340360709

I don´t know your opinion but this not sound very well for me. I prefer hear a practice chanter of Scotland playing with scottish technic: there are no differences in the playing style.

But in the Galician chase, the thing that you make in real bagpipe, can´t be made in a practice chanter.

A lot of people learns to play Galician Bagpipes with a modify plastic flute....Great error :(

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Re: Practice chanters

Post by anima » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:18 am

I placed an order for a gaita today, the reason I asked about practice chanters is that the set won't be ready until August, it would be nice to have something to learn the fingerings on in the meantime. :-)

Practice chanter also don't work well for the uilleann pipes - I have one, an awful Pakistani thing, it's only use was for learning the fingerings of the first octave until my set arrived. That is all you can learn from it. So much of learning the uilleann pipes is tied up into the mechanics of coordinating the bag and bellows, and unlike other bagpipes (gaitia, GHB), the bag pressure is absolutely dynamic - you are constantly changing the pressure on the bag to achieve different notes, for example, low D and hard low D are two different pressures, lower hand of the first octave is one pressure, upper hand of the first octave, slightly more pressure, lower hand of the second octave=different pressure, upper hand of second octave=differnt pressure, turning the drones on adds a new pressure differential that affects everything, using the regulators changes all the pressures for the few second the reg keys are pressed, It is a real beast to get all of this straight and you can't do it with a practice chanter - too many holes in the bag. :-) 3 drones, 3 regulators, and a chanter - 7 holes/reeds for a full set. One of the hard things for beginners also is learning to pump the bellows when the bag needs air and NOT in time with the music or when you feel you need to breathe.

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Re: Practice chanters

Post by LuifeSpain » Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:47 pm

What is your final decission Jeff? You have choose Patricia Cela? Tell us about your future gaita :P

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Re: Practice chanters

Post by anima » Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:55 pm

Yes, I chose Patricia Cela, Gaita with 2 drones (no chillon) in cocobolo and boxwood (it will match my uilleann pipes) in the baroque style and with a two color bag (not all black, should make you happy Luife). The set will look like pictures 21-24 on the following page:
http://www.patriciacela.com/fotos/content/index_2.html

I sent here the 20% deposit today. Pipes won't be ready until August probably. :-( I'm hoping maybe sooner. I wish I could pick them up in person.

She was very nice to deal with and her prices are reasonable.

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Re: Practice chanters

Post by finngaitero » Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:41 am

always when asking when v-pipes coming for sale they answer that soon......be several years now

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